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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4205

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I've seen that quite a few Sidescan users arent sure what to expect of their units, or how to properly use them to get the best results and to understand what they are seeing. A few guidelines.......please feel free to add more - and maybe some screenshots of problems and solutions.

1. The image on the screen will become more and more truncated the faster you go. To get an approximate 1/1 image while looking say, 80ft to each side you need to be doing 1 knot. After that the objects you see are becoming increasingly squeezed longitudinally i.e , say at 4 knots a 10ft tree lying on the bottom parallel to your course will appear on your HDS screen the same as a 2.5ft long tree would do if you were doing 1kt. Once you go over 6 kts you will lose the possibility of detecting smaller objects altogether. So if you want to detect small objects, or achieve good image definition SLOW DOWN. 2-4 knots is good.
2. Record small chunks of data – 30 mins is probably an ideal maximum. You never know what you may want to do with it.
3. Record all channels
4. If you are planning on stopping and drifting , start a new recording.
5. Don’t use cheap SD cards. You may be lucky – there will always be someone who buys the cheapest and never has a problem. It’s not me, and it probably wont be you.
6. Use a good power supply – and avoid direct connections to the motor circuit. HDS are voltage sensitive and cranking the motor, or running on reduced power will produce all sorts of strange effects (lines, interference, reboots, fadeouts)
7. Position your transducer carefully. It does not work in air, nor was it intended to. When your bow lifts out of the water it is forcing air out under the back of boat. Some hull forms trap air even at low speeds. Assess it carefully. You need a perfectly clean water flow past the transducer to achieve top class results.
8. Your outboard is an obstruction. You either need to jack it out, or trim it up to ensure that the sound beam can shoot past it unobstructed.
9. If you want to snip your sl2 files in half, or extract only small sections of it, then set it as the data file in the simulator in your unit and replay it, and record at the same time. Stop and restart the recording to extract the bits you want as separate files. It takes a little time of course, but it’s the only easy way.
10. Do not lead the transducer cables or Ethernet cables close and parallel to or secured to any power cables in your boat. It’s a likely way to get interference and poor definition.
11. Do not obscure the GPS receiver / antenna. A high quality position contributes massively to high quality imagery.
12. When using ss and a transom mount to carry out high definition surveys you need to plan in advance. The micro bubbles introduced into the water column by your propeller attenuate the signal. After a couple of passes the return quality is seriously degraded. I’ve found that in a lake around 15 minutes normally gives it time to settle down again when I'm doing archaeological stuff that concentrates on small areas.
13. 3ft Waves aren't good. Smooth water is.
14. Try and keep to straight lines, but Reefmaster's SS editor is now so good that you can easily chop out and nasty corners when you make the mosaic.

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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4212

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Excellent thread...

I set my Sidescan (StructureScan) range manually. Do not use Auto.
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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4214

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Thanks for that Trevor, great stuff....#9 oh how I looked for a way to chop .sl2 files.
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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4215

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#8 took me a very long time to resolve as I had no good location on the transom. My SS transducer is now mounted to the underside of the hull and is a dream.

Also SS transducer don't like being banged around. Another difficult thing with the length on some transoms!
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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4218

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Would it be possible to get a picture from your ss mount?

I cannot get an ideal place, because the motor shaft kills one side.
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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4219

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The best solution is to use two LSS-2 transducers so they get a clear side scan view.
I've tried trimming up the outboard but all the disturbed water and maybe part of the hull kills the usable range on that side that is obscured by the hull and outboard when you try to get good coverage in shallow waters.

I have ordered a second LSS-2 transducer together with an Y-cable, this solutions has been approved by Navico.

Note the Y-cabel hasn't all pins connected on the two output connectors!
Pins for downscan is only connected to the starbord LSS-2 transducers downscan element
Pins for starbord side scan is only connected to starbord LSS-2 transducers right element.
Pins for port side scan is only connected to port LSS-2 transducers left element.

The separation between them can temporarly be handled by importing each sonar file twice and use different location for the transducer in port/starboard direction and disable the side that isn't correct when making mosaic. The separation between them isn't that much but reducing the errors is always good!

/hakan
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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4220

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Hakan,

valid point, but I'd respectfully argue the "best solution" point. What we are trying to acheive is a set of criteria so that normal everyday people who go out and buy a box and expect it to work can get the results they expected.

There are plenty of exotic workarounds, but finding solutions that don't involve extra expense or technical knowhow, but just require a little planning and forethought is what this is all about !
Lets keep it simple folks.......


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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4221

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That post was aimed towards the problem when the outboard is obscuring the view.


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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4222

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You could remove the point 9 since that is handled very nice in the mosaic module.

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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4223

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The mosaic module does not reduce the size of sl2 files though unfortunately, and does not save in sl2 format. If you need to reduce the size of an sl2 file, or remove bad information before processing (in whatever application, IG for example) then the only way to do it is to rewrite the sl2.

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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4269

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Hubert wrote:
Would it be possible to get a picture from your ss mount?

I cannot get an ideal place, because the motor shaft kills one side.

Hubert I am doing some work on fitting my new LSS2 transducer today, I will try and remember to grab a few pictures of the install when done.

I had a lot of problems with the motor shaft and prop wash blocking the view because my outboard is set in between two side pods. I tried moving them further out but ended up damaging both transducers. Now I have them tucked up in front of the outboard. The result it fantastic provided the outboard is not in reverse!

Dan.
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Getting the most out of your Lowrance HDS sidescan 11 years 6 months ago #4272

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Hubert both of my transducers are now mounted in front of the outboard leg as it was the only location I could avoid interference.









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